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:::Yeah, cool! No rush, and we're gonna need to make more updates to monsters as well in the futures, to bring them up to quality with the D3Wiki monster pages. Great info gathering, but also good to get it all looking great as well! ;)
:: --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
== Set and Uniques ==
*poke*
Apologies for the late reply to you, my talk page spontaneously self-deleting didn't exactly help.
I'd like to update item sets and unique items, but having looked through the bowels of the help section and whatnot, I can't find any templates. Are there any? I'm probably just useless and can't find them, but if you point me to them I can help you update some of the lesser used sets. (eg [[Hwanin's Majesty]]).
Thanks
--[[User:Ailelya|Ailelya]] 15:17, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey Ailelya! No probs mate. :) It might have been a situation where we had probs with backups in ancient times, but never the less, let's get to the topic at hand!
:I have actually not yet made proper "templates" for these items yet (we call them [[Help:Boilerplate|boilerplates]] on a wiki though...). Me, Vipermagi (and sometimes Masofarian and/or Cogo) have done updates, and simply used older items as base.
:Take a look at the {{iw|Template:Itembox Itembox}}. It's the main template used on item pages. It's way to complex for me to ask you to edit it, but if you look at the "Legend" there, it has all the variables briefly explained. Of course, you'd have to use slightly different variables on uniques than your average Item Set, but quite similar.
:It's probably best if you try starting with creating an Item Set. The most polished one to use as a "template" for making new pages would be {{iw|M'avina's_Battle_Hymn M'avina's_Battle_Hymn}}. Take a look at how the main page is done by clicking "edit", and then each sub-page, and do it as similar as possible. Just copy all the code to your new page, and start updating it from there. Don't be afraid to ask me or Vipermagi for help.
:I hope this is not dropping you into the deep end of the pool, you seemed to be able to find your way around a wiki. If there's any questions at all, just ask! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 15:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
::Uuuuhhhhh.
::I've just finished doing the Hwanin's set - look in the [[http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/History:Hwanin's_Majesty history]] to see how badly I ballsed it up. This is my first time in a wiki!! The page is all working now, go look at it to see it now. ohhh... my precious...
::I can do unique items, they are much easier. If there is a boilerplate for those, I'd be honored to be pointed to it.
::I found the one for the sets: it was in the section about set items rather than the boilerplate section. If I can, I'll put a copy of it there too.
::And to think all I have of the set is two copies of the weapon!
::--[[User:Ailelya|Ailelya]] 18:14, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:::If that's your first Wiki experiences, I am super-impressed! :) I'll help you with some pointers on how to do it in a bit, but that is an amazing start. There's some small things on how to make a wiki page that needs to be dealt with. Try to use the same headlines as that {{iw|M'avina's_Battle_Hymn M'avina's_Battle_Hymn}}. You got all the complex and hard bits right though, which would have been more complex to explain. I'm very impressed. Get back to you in a few hours! --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 10:33, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
== Rotation ==
Hi, Leord, I have news that you may not like.
I had proposed my ideas in Blizzard forums just as you know. There was no response from them, not a word. I have dreams here - i wish these ideas to be realized in some game, I wish to play with the characters I created. But this will not happen in Blizzard games. That's what I see. Since the lack of interest from Blizzard side and according to the thing that my ideas are more suitalbe for another game by Bio Ware, I think that I will delete my Fan Class Propositions and some monsters too. Also the Avien Continent.
Yes the axe is falling now and soon I will ask of you to remove the links. I am sorry for all this, but after a deep reflection I decided to do it. There is no point to feed hopes for nothing and giving your best to someone that doesn't even dare to say his opinion. So... that's it. Actually the links may remain but this message will be everywhere replacing the text and pictures.
I wish to thank you for your appreciation and all the help you provided. You are the best, man! And I really apologize for this. But I have to chase my dreams and seems like Blizzard are not going to help me.
--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 15:52, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:Hey Veskin7 Bukito,
:I'm sorry you have received no replies from Blizzard, but I see no point deleting your content. Fan classes, fan monsters and other things related to fan-made content is just that - fanmade. I doubt Blizzard (or BioWare, or other developers) would use any material not made by their employees due to copyright issues. Also, think about it. If you already published the monsters (and they appear later) that's spoiling story arcs etc.
:If you want to be part of the creative process of creating games, you need to get yourself employed by them. This is super-hard, but with the right motivation, you can do anything.
:The content you have created here works as great inspiration to others, and creates a rich fan-environment. While it's unlikely any monster or class you created here will be taken on to a game directly (Diablo or otherwise), it's definitely possible that some ideas and concepts related to them might be. I think it would be a great shame to lose out of some of the community creations because Blizzard did not pick it up.
:Besides, having some of your stuff published on a site shows that you have creativity and imagination. While you might not be able to use these monsters specifically - unless you create your own game - they work fine as a "portfolio" for you that you can link people and possible employers to.
:You have spent a great deal of energy on these cool creations, and I think it's a waste to not let people enjoy them. Look at each page: thousands of people have seen them, and you get your name out there. That is one of the most important aspects to ever get a foothold in the industry.
:Honestly, I think you should continue to make fan content while you are trying to get in to Blizzard or BioWare. It's great practice to make you better at thinking creatively, to draw and to write. Or, at the very least, keep these up as a permanent advertisement of "I am Veskin7 Bukito, and I am obviously creative!" --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:48, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::Thank you for the wise words. Yes my dreams seem impossible at first sight. I don't really attempt to get a job at Blizzard or Bio Ware - I am just not qualified, I study Ecology. But what I really wish is to make my ideas alive. Yes people will see that I am creative. That's good. But If my stuff doesn't get appreciation from the professionals, then the joy will be the half. Yes I am happy that many people read my ideas, and they might be happy too. But that doesn't make my dreams real. I have a goal to reach and I see no reason to stop trying.
::Here's what I'll do:
::I will rearrange the Characters background stories and then add them to Dragon Age wiki. That is the game that I think is more suitable for my stuff. Then on my user page and on all my existing materials here I will leave a message that explains my reasons to rotate and there will be a link to the new place they are posted. That's how Diablo fans will be able to see what I once created for them. Actually there are many pageviews here but zero comments, which doesn't make me so happy. I think it will be a good start after all. A new beginning. The only thing i am sorry for is that I will rarely communicate with you guys. I just hope we will still be friends and I will notify you if some good things happen in Dragon Age wiki. This is not a goodbye. Best wishes! --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 14:16, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Hello!
:::The sad truth is that most people will never get their time as a game developer. You should not do things if your ONLY reason for doing it is to get THAT piece of info out there. Try to see each and every thing you do as a 1/1000 part to become what you want: Part of Blizz/BioWare.
:::Look here: http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/2037540/1/Sketches?h=cf0060 I am pretty good at drawing, but it will take a LOT more drawings to get Blizz attention. Try to not get so hung up about these things.
:::Also, people are generally crap at commenting. Don't let it drag you down. :)
:::As for Dragon Age: They might not allow fan-made monsters there. Make sure you are allowed to add anything, or it might get deleted. Secondly, there's no point in deleting these ones.
:::Everything you do is always one step to get better than you were, and there's never a reason to delete something old - just make new stuff! Or, perhaps edited stuff in this case, but in essence, that is then new!
:::If you ARE allowed to make fan-made stuff on Dragon Age wiki, then do the re-writes, and re-upload stuff there etc, but also link back to the original articles as source. The more links you have, the better chance you have in a few years to get somewhere.
:::As for Ecology: Only 10% or so of original Blizzard employees actually have related degrees. Most people get a degree and then go and do something else. I don't even HAVE a degree! Don't let that put you down either. Just write, draw and all those things. Share with people.
:::BUT! Don't get hooked on the thought Blizzard or BioWare will magically pick you up, it doesn't work like that! You need to do your work for YOURSELF, because YOU like to do it, and then you have a chance of going somewhere higher. Blizzard or BioWare, or any other developer will NEVER take ideas from random people like that. You need to be happy with yourself, and then expand.
:::Keep doing stuff, here or elsewhere, and keep getting your name out there. That's the only way to do it unless you have a university degree in game development, or graphics design. --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 14:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
::::I thank you man. I am happy to find out that you think in reality. What I am dreaming about... my friends say that I am crazy. They say "You are nobody! How do you expect to get their attention? How do you hope to tell them what to do and they listen?" Well i just don't give up and will definitely keep doing this.
::::Your words helped me out. The articles will remain here. The only thing changed will be a message explaining my reasons to try my luck in Dragon Age. :)
::::The Dragon warrior was deleted but now is back. Links are alive.
:::: You are so talented! Nice drawings! Keep it up! :)--[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 09:05, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Thank you! I really appreciate that! :) You are a good drawer as well as a good writer, and you should not give up. This industry works in mysterious ways. A good start - depending on what you want to do - is simply to keep writing backgrounds, stories and drawing concept art to get better and better and better. As I said, most people there are not in the company because of their university degrees, but for their interest and skill.
:::::You should also consider picking up 3D modelling, as Blizzard repeatedly have said they want their artists to be able to both make images as well as create those images in a computer later.
:::::So, might be a good idea to DO modify the monsters and classes, and adding them as fan stuff on the Dragon Age wiki, but don;t forget to link back to the originals as "References". More links, the better ;) --[[User:Leord|Leord]] 09:34, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
==Been a long time, old friend==
It's been a while Leord, how ya doing? how has the wiki been? I'm sorry i didnt help much, Diablo 3 didnt get any new info (as far as i know), so i just stopped. Just stopping by to remember the stuff i learned here, gotta do some things on another wiki. I'll maybe check whats new, maybe edit a few things... who knows.
P.S, forgot to sign.... as usual :)
--[[User:DxAxxxTyriel|DxAxxxTyriel]] 15:10, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
== Need a little help here ==
Hello there!
we`ve been trying to contact You, so, decided to post here. The problem is, that at the moment we are developing an informal fan-site for the game Diablo 3 (Russia). We`re big fans of Diablo Wiki , and, actually often use your material. If it wasn`t Your help, our Bestiary would be very scanty.So.. we saw the post "Contributor Websites of DiabloWiki", and decided to cry out loud, that we`re willing to appear on DiabloWiki. We`d Love to be a Participating Website.
Although we are just developing, the audience is gradually added. All the posts, taken from www.diablowiki.net have the link to native pages. Like it`s said - Linking and increasing Page Rank. Of course,we have Your link among the Friends of our site. If there`s Anything You`d want us to Do - Please Answer! Our site - http://diablolive.ru/ .Help Russian fans - add us :)
== The Last Race ==
Hi Leord, I created a new page under "Current Events" in the Diablo Wiki II where I propose a challenge race while we wait for Diablo III to come out. What do you think?
--[[User:Widus|Widus]] 08:27, 11 August 2011 (CEST)
== Good to See You Again ==
Hello. What are you guys doing? Hi, Leord, hey it's been a long time... :) Man I'm so happy to be here again! I've been away... away from everything I was doing here. I had to abandon my projects since I couldn't attract the attention of Blizzard, I could not make them take a good look on my stuff. Actually as I look back to these things I really see that I was not good enough. But I never stopped trying.
When I left my projects, I was really sad, because I had lost contact with such nice guys like you, like Holyknight and everybody else.
I have to say that I was thinking about all of you pretty regularly during the last... two years? That long? Oh my... time flies.
Anyway - with my projects I was trying to get a chance to study the things I want, but couldn't afford. I wish to be a Concept Artist and later - a 3D artist.
So months after I stopped working on my Diablo stuff, I resumed my work on some other old project of mine. I found a new inspiration and continued doing what I have been doing here - creating concepts.
Here is my new site.
www.wix.com/veskin7/veskin-sentinel
It describes my work for the last years. Actually I found out that creating such concepts is my passion. I am sorry, this is not something dedicated to Diablo of Blizzard, but you can still recognize me there. Probably it was crazy to do things like this again, but I guess that one day I will just do it right.
I hope you like this.
Check the site, tell me what you think, see if something is not working properly, and please stay in touch. And I promise you that as soon as I start studying the things I want, I will get back on the projects I left here, because they must be finished.
I wish for all of you a cozy, warm Christmas full of love and shared dreams. --[[User:Veskin7 Bukito|Veskin7 Bukito]] 18:21, 9 December 2011 (CET)
