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‎Arena Gameplay Video

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-Arena or deathmatch style (PvP) player vs. player combat was planned for inclusion in Diablo 3, and an Arena style PvP was very popular when demoed at Blizzcon 2010 and 2011. That feature did not make it into the final game<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/the-future-of-diablo-pvp-posted-dueling Team Death Match Shelved] - Jay Wilson, Blizzard, 27 December 2012</ref>, and there was no PvP at allref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-pvp-at-launch No PvP at D3 launch] - Blizzard Press Release, March 2012</ref> in D3v until late in 2012 when the [[Brawling]] feature<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-dueling-re-named-to-brawling PvP is now "Brawling"] - February 10, 2012</ref> was introduced. (Just in time to beat the "within this year" promise Jay Wilson made<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii PvP in Diablo 3] - Blizzard, April 29, 2012</ref> in early 2012.) Brawling allows PvP in-game, but it has no balance changes, and no record keeping or ranking tables, and most fans find it much less than compelling.
+Arena or deathmatch style (PvP) player vs. player combat was planned for inclusion in Diablo 3, and an Arena style PvP was very popular when demoed at Blizzcon 2010 and 2011. That feature did not make it into the final game<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/the-future-of-diablo-pvp-posted-dueling Team Death Match Shelved] - Jay Wilson, Blizzard, 27 December 2012</ref>, and there was no PvP at all<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-pvp-at-launch No PvP at D3 launch] - Blizzard Press Release, March 2012</ref> in D3v until late in 2012 when the [[Brawling]] feature<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-dueling-re-named-to-brawling PvP is now "Brawling"] - February 10, 2012</ref> was introduced. (Just in time to beat the "within this year" promise Jay Wilson made<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii PvP in Diablo 3] - Blizzard, April 29, 2012</ref> in early 2012.) Brawling allows PvP in-game, but it has no balance changes, and no record keeping or ranking tables, and most fans find it much less than compelling.
-Throughout 2012, 2013, and into 2014 fans have repeatedly asked the developers about an Arena combat mode, and always Blizzard has said they like the idea and want to support PvP properly, but haven't found the ideal system for that yet. Speculation that it will finally be included in the second [[Diablo 3 Expansion]] is possible, but likely just wishful thinking.
+Throughout 2012, 2013, and into 2014 fans have repeatedly asked the developers about an Arena combat mode, and always Blizzard has said they like the idea and want to support PvP properly, but haven't found the ideal system for that yet. <ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-pvp-at-launch Arenas coming post-launch] - Blizzard, March 2012</ref>
 ==Why no Arena Mode?==
-The question has been asked many times, and always the developers say the system just wasn't right for Diablo 3.  Josh Mosquera replied to an interview question about it in July 2013.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-developers-video-interview D3 Developer Interview] - Josh Mosqueira, July 2013</ref>
+The question has been asked many times, and always the developers say the system, as working, just wasn't right for Diablo 3.  Josh Mosquera replied to an interview question about it in July 2013.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/diablo-3-developers-video-interview D3 Developer Interview] - Josh Mosqueira, July 2013</ref>
 <blue>Josh Mosqueira: But was [Arena with pre-made characters] the right expression of PvP for Diablo? Something we really struggled with is, does it feel like Diablo when you’re not A: using your character that has all your cool items, and does it feel like Diablo in the fact that you’re not getting any items. I think everybody intrinsically gets the idea that a PvP mode in Diablo 3 should be really fun, and we’ve seen examples that in bursts it can be a lot of fun. So the questions is how do we make sure it feels like thematically... not just a side product, but part of the overall core fantasy of the game.</blue>
-Most players greatly enjoyed<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/the-diablo-podcast-48-blizzcon-and-the-pvp-demo Diablo 3 Podcast, PvP Delays] - The Diablo Podcast, October 2011</ref> the Arena mode in the Blizzcon 2010 and 2011 demo -- using pre-made characters for a skill-based, rather than level/item based winner -- and Blizzard's refusal to recreate that sort of system seems suspicious to some fans. Speculation is that Blizzard felt that sort of system in Diablo 3 would be too similar to their planned [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DotA DotA]-style game, which is targeted for release in 2014 as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_the_Storm Heroes of the Storm].
+Most players greatly enjoyed<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/the-diablo-podcast-48-blizzcon-and-the-pvp-demo Diablo 3 Podcast, PvP Delays] - The Diablo Podcast, October 2011</ref> the Arena mode in the Blizzcon 2010 and 2011 demo -- using pre-made characters for a skill-based, rather than level/item based winner -- and Blizzard's refusal to recreate that sort of system seems suspicious to some fans. Fan speculation is that Blizzard felt that sort of system in Diablo 3 would be too similar to their planned [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DotA DotA]-style game, which is targeted for release in 2014 as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroes_of_the_Storm Heroes of the Storm].

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		+	==Team Death Match Shelved==
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		+	'''The information in this page will probably be largely changed with the announcement that Team Deathmatch has gone back to the drawing board.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/the-future-of-diablo-pvp-posted-dueling Team Death Match Shelved] - Jay Wilson, Blizzard, 27 December 2012</ref> Some or none of the information on this {{PAGENAME}} page could still be pertinent but Blizzard have not released any information on its new iteration. It is preserved here for interest and until such time as there is new information.'''
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		+	==Introduction==
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	There was no PvP in Diablo III at launch.		There was no PvP in Diablo III at launch.

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 ::'''10:50''' -- The PoV blue wizard does it again. Nearly dead, racing along with exploding Mongrels right on his heels, he grabs all 4 health orbs and goes back to full life.
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-There will be no PvP in Diablo III at launch.
+There was no PvP in Diablo III at launch.
 Though Blizzard had long-promised special PvP Arenas in Diablo III, and there were playable (and very popular) Arena demos at BlizzCon 2010 and 2011, the developers did not have enough time to polish the Arena mode sufficiently to include it in Diablo 3 at launch. They have have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii PvP in Diablo 3] - Blizzard, April 29, 2012</ref>
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 ==Arena Matchmaking==
-[[File:Meteor-arena2.jpg|thumb|300px|Red vs. blue teams. Pets and spells are also marked.]]
+[[File:Pvp interface.jpg|thumb|300px|Matchmaking UI]]
 While it will be possible to play in the Arena with or against your friends in established teams, the [[D3 Team]] are going to create a large matchmaking system to allow strangers to quickly get into games against opponents of equivalent skill, any time of the day or night.
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 And you’ll also be able to go in with organized teams, or to play alone and get slotted into a random team.</blue>
 ==Arena Will Focus on Diablo III's Core Game==
-The Battle Arena is a game type presented to players via Battle.net. It won't be open to modding or variations created by players. This point was stressed by Jason Bender in an interview from Blizzcon 2010.<ref>[http://www.vg247.com/2010/10/27/interview-diablo-iiis-jason-bender-and-christian-lichtner-talk-demon-hunters-pvp-blizzard-on-consoles-tons-more/ Jason Bender @ Blizzcon 2010] - VG24/7. October 25, 2010</ref>
+[[File:Meteor-arena2.jpg|thumb|300px|Red vs. blue teams. Pets and spells are also marked.]]The Battle Arena is a game type presented to players via Battle.net. It won't be open to modding or variations created by players. This point was stressed by Jason Bender in an interview from Blizzcon 2010.<ref>[http://www.vg247.com/2010/10/27/interview-diablo-iiis-jason-bender-and-christian-lichtner-talk-demon-hunters-pvp-blizzard-on-consoles-tons-more/ Jason Bender @ Blizzcon 2010] - VG24/7. October 25, 2010</ref>
 ::'''''VG247:''' How open is Arena PVP going to be as a platform? Where does it fall in the great Blizzard divide? Is it like StarCraft II: potentially able to house everything from puzzle games to Left 4 Dead rip-offs? Or is it like WoW, which is pretty much locked up tight aside from the occasional UI mod that skitters through?

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 There will be no PvP in Diablo III at launch.
-Though Blizzard had long-promised special PvP Arenas in Diablo III, and there were playable (and very popular) Arena demos at BlizzCon 2010 and 2011, the developers did not have enough time to polish the Arena mode sufficiently to include it in Diablo 3 at launch. They have have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii]
+Though Blizzard had long-promised special PvP Arenas in Diablo III, and there were playable (and very popular) Arena demos at BlizzCon 2010 and 2011, the developers did not have enough time to polish the Arena mode sufficiently to include it in Diablo 3 at launch. They have have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii PvP in Diablo 3] - Blizzard, April 29, 2012</ref>
 The Arena system will not be an esport, and the developers do not plan to put a great deal of effort into balancing Diablo 3's PvP combat, in terms of tweaking buffs, debuffs, stuns, CC skills, and all the rest that are required for PvP, but are not a  major part of the PvE gameplay.
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 ===Entering the Arena===
-There's no official word on the requirements for Arena combat. Jay Wilson spoke on this in April 2011.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-wilson-diablo3.cc-interview-full-transcript/]
+There's no official word on the requirements for Arena combat. Jay Wilson spoke on this in April 2011.<ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/jay-wilson-diablo3.cc-interview-full-transcript/ Jay Wilson Interview] - Diablo3.cc, May 4, 2011</ref>
 <blue><font color="#FFFFFF">Is there any requirement to enter the Arena? Like reaching a certain level or any other requirement?</font><br><br>Jay Wilson:</b> We actually haven’t made that call yet. It’s very likely that will be, since we’re finding that Arenas, outside of max level, tend to be highly imbalanced in ways we can’t readily fix. But even if there is a requirement for match-made arenas, we probably still allow people to play custom arena games that don’t count against their ratings, and upon those we likely wouldn’t put nearly as many restrictions.
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 Diablo III's PvP is not meant to be perfectly balanced, especially for 1v1 matches. There is just too much potential variety with character builds, plus equipment variance, skill runes, and more. D3 is not meant as an [[e-sport]] in that way. The "balance" is meant to be found more in the 3v3 duels, where teams can form and compensate for the weaknesses of any particular character in the group.
-Bashiok spoke on the PvP balance issue in February 2011. [http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blue-on-pvp-balance/]
+Bashiok spoke on the PvP balance issue in February 2011. <ref>[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/blue-on-pvp-balance/ Balance of PvP] - Blizzard, February 26, 2011</ref>
 <blue>We intend to get PvP as balanced as we can, because we want it to be fun and have some meaning to it. But, PvP balance is not an integral goal to releasing the game. We want PvP to be fun, not necessarily balanced to a razors edge. With the huge number of combinations per character compounded by team comps, balance is not going to be something we’d hold the game for. If we did it might never come out. It will be balanced as much as we realistically can expect before releasing the game, and we’ll certainly continue to make changes to try to keep it fun and interesting.</blue>
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 The answer to that question was yes, through all of 2009 and 2010. Fans of the system said it would be awesome and true to the spirit of Hardcore. Doubters said it would keep the vast majority of Hardcore players from using the Arena, and would force HC players to make normal chars to enjoy the Arena. (See [[Hardcore#Arena_PvP|the Arena section of the Hardcore article]] for much more on this controversial issue.)
-The developers must have heard some of the fan debate, since they changed their plans in 2011, and at that year's Blizzcon they revealed that Hardcore PvP was no longer permanently fatal.[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/]
+The developers must have heard some of the fan debate, since they changed their plans in 2011, and at that year's Blizzcon they revealed that Hardcore PvP was no longer permanently fatal.<ref>[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/ Wyatt Cheng, Andrew Chambers Interview] - Gameplanet.co.nz. October 26, 2011</ref>
 <blue>Wyatt Cheng: Our current position is that you don’t die in DiabloWikiPvP in DiabloWikiHardcore mode. So what happened in Diablo II is that anyone who wanted to do Hardcore PvP would basically level a character to level 10, and then they’d find another level 10 character, and they’d fight and one would die. That’s just not really that interesting. So we’re just going to let players engage in PvP. </blue>

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−	Though Blizzard long-~~planned to include~~ Arenas ~~for PvP~~, ~~they~~ were ~~forced~~ to ~~delay~~ the ~~system until a later patch. As such there will be no PvP~~ in Diablo ~~III~~ at launch. ~~The developers~~ have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii]	+	There will be no PvP in Diablo III at launch.
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		+	Though Blizzard had long-promised special PvP Arenas in Diablo III, and there were playable (and very popular) Arena demos at BlizzCon 2010 and 2011, the developers did not have enough time to polish the Arena mode sufficiently to include it in Diablo 3 at launch. They have have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii]

	The Arena system will not be an esport, and the developers do not plan to put a great deal of effort into balancing Diablo 3's PvP combat, in terms of tweaking buffs, debuffs, stuns, CC skills, and all the rest that are required for PvP, but are not a major part of the PvE gameplay.		The Arena system will not be an esport, and the developers do not plan to put a great deal of effort into balancing Diablo 3's PvP combat, in terms of tweaking buffs, debuffs, stuns, CC skills, and all the rest that are required for PvP, but are not a major part of the PvE gameplay.

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		+	Though Blizzard long-planned to include Arenas for PvP, they were forced to delay the system until a later patch. As such there will be no PvP in Diablo III at launch. The developers have committed to add the Arena system in a patch, one they hope to release later in 2012.[http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/new-info-on-pvp-in-diablo-iii]
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		+	The Arena system will not be an esport, and the developers do not plan to put a great deal of effort into balancing Diablo 3's PvP combat, in terms of tweaking buffs, debuffs, stuns, CC skills, and all the rest that are required for PvP, but are not a major part of the PvE gameplay.
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		+	==Arena in Diablo III==
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	Battle Arenas were unveiled at Blizzcon 2010. They are a specialized game type in which players can engage in PvP combat in a controlled, regulated environment.		Battle Arenas were unveiled at Blizzcon 2010. They are a specialized game type in which players can engage in PvP combat in a controlled, regulated environment.

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 ==Hardcore Battle Arena==
-Jay Wilson announced, with something of a gleam in his eye, that Hardcore characters could play in the arena, but that it was the real thing. [[Hardcore]]. Permanent death to the losers.
+Hardcore characters can duel other Hardcore characters in the PvP [[Battle Arena]], just like normal characters. However, that begs a question; is dying in the Arena the same thing as dying to monsters in [[Campaign mode]]? Do Hardcore character stay dead when they die in the Arena?
-Details were not given; whether it would be single-fall, some sort of best of 3/5/7 competition, team based, etc. But it's clear that Hardcore characters will get to play in the arena, and that dying there will be as serious as dying anywhere else.
+The answer to that question was yes, through all of 2009 and 2010. Fans of the system said it would be awesome and true to the spirit of Hardcore. Doubters said it would keep the vast majority of Hardcore players from using the Arena, and would force HC players to make normal chars to enjoy the Arena. (See [[Hardcore#Arena_PvP|the Arena section of the Hardcore article]] for much more on this controversial issue.)
-You can find much more discussion of this matter, with arguments pro and con, on the [[Hardcore]] article.
+The developers must have heard some of the fan debate, since they changed their plans in 2011, and at that year's Blizzcon they revealed that Hardcore PvP was no longer permanently fatal.[http://www.gameplanet.co.nz/blizzcon/pc/games/156898.Diablo-III/features/138132.20111026.Blizzards-Wyatt-Cheng-and-Andrew-Chambers-on-Diablo-III/]
 ==Arena Gameplay Video==